into the proceedings every day, at least once every day for the last week, and the only witness that I know of on the stand that I have not asked whether he knew Jarvis Hunt was Secretary Baker. I am quite confident I did not ask him. Other than that, I brought this point out again and again. So nobody has the right to be surprised.. Mr. BOUVIER. When Mr. Crowell was here there was no examination on the Butterfly project.

Senator HARDWICK. I was not here.

Mr. BOUVIER. I wish you had been because you would appreciate the relevancy of my observations. No question such as that was brought out, but the question whether per se the Speedway Hospital project was disapproved. The suggestion that other things had any influence was not raised directly nor indirectly, and of course he was not interrogated upon it by me.

Mr. ADCOCK. It has not been shown that the Marquette proposition or the Washington Park proposition intended to use the hospital plans.

Mr. BENNET. That is one of the things that I intended to ask this witness.

Senator HARDWICK. I believe I will let the witness answer the question.

Mr. BENNET. What was the question that I asked the witness 15 or 20 minutes ago?

(The question was read by the stenographer as follows:

Mr. BENNET. Did he state anything to you in relation to an intention to form a construction company in case the plans were approved, and if so, what? Maj. VOORHEES. The plan that he had before him was the plan of a hospital.

Mr. BENNET. I do not mean that. I do not mean the plan of a hospital. I mean the plan of the scheme of forming a construction company?

Maj. VOORHEES. No, sir. The project, as I understood it from Mr. Hunt, was to prepare the plans to make them satisfactory to the Surgeon General's office, the construction division, and to build the building. The plans were marked "Jarvis Hunt, Architect and Construction Engineer."

Mr. BENNET. Were those plans in connection with the Washington and Marquette Parks in Chicago as well as other points?

Maj. VOORHEES. Yes; eventually. Two sets of these plans were submitted to the Surgeon General.

Mr. BENNET. How far did the consideration of these plans go in the Surgeon General's Office, within your knowledge?

Maj. VOORHEES. From time to time plans of the separate buildings forming a hospital group would be submitted of the ward building, from the butterfly plan, and the surgical pavilion. Only one of the plans was the butterfly plan, which was the ward. He would come in with his plans for criticism from the hospital section of the Surgeon General's Office, and he would take his criticisms, and in a day or two come back with the revised plans.

Mr. BENNET. The final result was that the plans were not approved?

Maj. VOORHEES. They were never put up for that. They were only put up for criticism, and I never had formally a plan to approve or disapprove, but simply for criticism.

Mr. BENNET. Did the construction division ever send you any plans for approval, formal approval or disapproval?

Maj. VOORHEES. They sent met a set of plans, not concrete, but plans of the same buildings, asking whether they conformed to our standard hospital buildings, referring to what we then called the West Point plans, and I wrote a memorandum in reply, pointing out wherein they differed and were unsatisfactory.

Mr. BENNET. And right then and there did the proposition drop? Maj. VOORHEES. I can not say that. That is the only formal note that I can find, but my talks with Mr. Hunt extend over so long a period that I can say when they stopped.

Mr. BENNET. How long a period would you say that the talks with Mr. Hunt extended over?

Maj. VOORHEES. About the end of August, or the 1st of September, I was on duty, but I do not remember exactly when he came in, but about the 1st of September on until, I should say, into October. Mr. BENNET. Substantially a month?

Maj. VOORHEES. Well, I should say more than a month. It would be my impression.

Mr. BENNET. More than a month?

Maj. VOORHEES. Yes, sir.

Mr. BENNET. And was Mr. Hunt in your office many times during that time?

Maj. VOORHEES. Yes, sir.

Mr. BENNET. And always, I assume, in connection with these plans?

Maj. VOORHEES. Yes, sir.

Senator HARDWICK. Ask him if he ever said anything about the Speedway project?

Mr. BENNET. Did he ever mention the Speedway project?
Maj. VOORHEES. I can not remember that he ever did.

Mr. BENNET. One way or the other?

Maj. VOORHEES. No; I do not remember.

Mr. BENNET. He talked about his projects?

Maj. VOORHEES. He was very fluent on that subject.

Mr. BENNET. Not taciturn?

Mr. BOUVIER. May I ask one question. As I understand it, Mr. Hunt had an idea, and whether that idea was a practical idea in conformity with the established requirements of the Government, so far as hospitals were concerned, he came to you or to your office to invite criticism as to whether they conformed to the established lines or where you believed they were in conflict with the scheme of the Surgeon General's Office as to hospitals. Is that about the size of it?

Maj. VOORHEES. May I explain that we had at that time the basis of what we considered our standard plan, which we called the West Point plan, because it happened to be the first camp that used that construction, and if a set of plans was brought before ns-for instance, a plan like the butterfly plan-it would be my function to see that that was equivalent to our standard plans.

Mr. BOUVIER. It was distinctly that of criticism in determining whether or not the plans that he submitted to you were in point of

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fact relatively equivalent to the standard plans of the department, and that was all that you had to do with it?

Mr. ADCOCK. And he merely desired, his purpose was to have the plans adopted as plans of the department with reference to hospitals? Maj. VOORHEES. No, sir; his project that he came to me with was a project of which the plan was part. He proposed to make a contract with the Government to build these hospitals. That is very clear in my mind, because that is not the usual function of an architect, and his plans were so marked, "Architect and construction engineer."

Mr. ADCOCK. They never were approved?

Maj. VOORHEES. They never were submitted for formal approval. Senator HARDWICK. The witness is excused, with the thanks of the committee for his attendance.

Mr. ADCOCK. I would like to ask Mr. Trainer one question. Did the department ever discuss the plans that Maj. Voorhees has talked about with you?

Mr. TRAINER. Never.

(Thereupon, at 12.55 o'clock p. m., the committee took a recess until 2 o'clock p. m.)

AFTERNOON SESSION.

(The subcommittee met at 2.20 o'clock p. m., pursuant to the taking of recess.)

Mr. BENNET. I want to ask Mr. Hines, Mr. Foster, Mr. Shank, and Mr. Erskine the same question. Do you now or did you at any time during the year 1918 own any real estate in the vicinity of what has been described in this matter as the Speedway Park, Cook County, Ill.?

Mr. HINES. No, sir.
Mr. FOSTER. No, sir.

Mr. SHANK. No, sir.

Mr. BENNET. Mr. Erskine is not in the room.

Senator HARDWICK. Outside of their interest in this property.
Mr. BENNET. That is what I meant.

Mr. ADCOCK. Did you ask Mr. Newman?

Mr. BENNET. Do you own any real estate, or did you in 1918 own any real estate in the vicinity of Speedway Park?

Mr. NEWMAN. Never at any time in my life.

Mr. BENNET. Do you happen to know whether Mr. Poppenhusen did?

Mr. NEW MAN. I have no personal knowledge. I am quite sure that if he had he would have said something to me about it. Senator HARDWICK. There is no suggestion that he did.

TESTIMONY OF MR. H, B. WHEELOCK.

(The witness was sworn by the acting chairman.)

Senator HARDWICK. Lead the witness as much as you want.
Mr. BENNET. Mr. Wheelock, you reside in Chicago, Ill.?

Mr. WHEELOCK. Yes, sir.

Mr. BENNET. You are a member of the American Institute of Architects, member of the Illinois Chapter of the American Institute of Architects, member and director and past president of the Illinois

Society of Architects, and were for years a member of the State board of examiners of architects, appointed by Govs. Yates and Dunne, successively?

Mr. WHEELOCK. Yes, sir.

Mr. BENNET. You are now chairman of the joint committee of the two Illinois societies on legislative measures pending for the new Chicago zoning law, the State housing law, and amendments to the law governing the practice of architecture?

Mr. WHEELOCK. Yes, sir.

Mr. BENNET. I will ask you if you have practiced architecture in the city of Chicago for quite a number of years?

Mr. WHEELOCK. Thirty-three years.

Mr. BENNET. In connection with that have you constructed hospitals?

Mr. WHEELOCK. Yes: I have.

Mr. BENNET. In and about the city of Chicago?

Mr. WHEELOCK. Yes, sir.

Mr. BENNET. In the spring of 1918 were you working on any hospital plans?

Mr. WHEELOCK. Yes, sir.

Mr. BENNET. Were you working on any plans for a proposed hospital at Speedway Park?

Mr. WHEELOCK. Yes, sir.

Mr. BENNET. Do you know Mr. Trainer?

Mr. WHEELOCK. Yes, sir.

Mr. BENNET. Were you ever present at a meeting in the office of Jacob Newman at which Mr. Trainer was present?

Mr. WHEELOCK. Yes, sir.

Mr. BENNET. How many?

Mr. WHEELOCK. Two meetings.

Mr. BENNET. Who were present at the first meeting?

Mr. WHEELOCK. Mr. Shank, Mr. Trainer, Mr. Newman, Mr. Poppenhusen, and myself, and Mr. Hodge.

Mr. BENNET. What Hodge is that, Samuel H. Hodge?

Mr. WHEELOCK. Yes.

Mr. BENNET. Just state what occurred at that meeting at which these five gentlemen were present. What was discussed, and what was generally done.

Mr. WHEELOCK. I was requested by Mr. Shank to be at Mr. Poppenhusen's office and to bring over the sketches that I had prepared for the Speedway Hospital.. I called at the office, I think, about 2 o'clock in the afternoon, met Mr. Newman, and we passed through into Mr. Poppenhusen's office, and I exhibited my plans to these gentlemen, and showed them a plat of the grounds which indicated the underground work, the piping, etc., that had been installed at the time the Speedway Park was first built. Mr. Trainer asked me at that time if I could not show them a plan of the ground that would more explicitly indicate the amount of the pipe of the various sizes that had been put in underground. I told him I would endeavor to get that information and measure it up accurately and make a tabulation and put that on the blue prints, on my tracing, from which a blue print could be made.

Mr. BENNET. Did you make such a tracing and blue print?

Mr. WHEELOCK. I made such a tracing and finished that on June 27. Mr. BENNET. Will you produce the blue print of June 27, Mr. Adcock?

(Mr. Adcock handed Mr. Bennet a blue print.)

Mr. BENNET. Is this [showing blue print to witness] the blue print that you made subsequent to that meeting at which five gentlemen were present?

Mr. WHEELOCK. Yes, sir; that is the blue print.

Mr. BENNET. And what information was put on that blue print as the result of the suggestions of Mr. Trainer?

Mr. WHEELOCK. All of this tabulation here [indicating], which showed the amount of piping, as indicated by those various piping lines, and the quantities of various pipes, water pipes, sewer pipes, and drain tile.

Mr. BENNET. May it appear in the record that this was the blue print produced by Mr. Adcock sometime since concerning which he examined Mr. Shank? That is the fact?

Mr. ADCOCK. Yes.

Mr. BENNET Now, can you fix the date of the first meeting with Mr. Trainer in which he made the suggestions which resulted in getting out the blueprint?

Mr. WHEELOCK. It was just two or three days previous to that.

Mr. BENNET. At that meeting at which Mr. Shank, Mr. Trainer, yourself, and Mr. Hodge, and Mr. Poppenhusen, and Mr. Newman were present, was there any offer or suggestion made by Mr. Shank to Mr. Trainer or Mr. Hodge that they be paid any commissions if they helped him to sell the Speedway proposition?

Mr. WHEELOCK. The subject was not mentioned.

Mr. BENNET. Was Mr. Wallace Clark there?

Mr. WHEELOCK. He was not there.

Mr. BENNET. Do you know Mr. Wallace Clark?

Mr. WHEELOCK. I do.

Mr. BENNET. Now, when was the next meeting at which Mr. Trainer and you were both present?

Mr. WHEELOCK. The next meeting was at Mr. Newman's office on July 2.

Mr. BENNET. Was that the meeting at which Mr. Poppenhusen, Mr. Newman, Mr. Shank, Mr. Foster, Mr. Trainer, Mr. Hodge, and Mr. Erskine I think that was all-were present?

Mr. WHEELOCK. Yes, sir.

Mr. BENNET. And that lasted about how long?

Mr. WHEELOCK. An hour and a half or two hours.

Mr. BENNET. Was the subject of commissions discussed at that meeting?

Mr. WHEELOCK. It was not.

Mr. BENNET. What was discussed at that meeting?

Mr. WHEELOCK. A general review of the plans that I had made and a review of this plat of ground here on this blue print, and a general discussion as to how we could best prepare the data and outline specifications and plans to present to Washington to the proper authorities in the Surgeon General's department, and Mr. Trainer gave quite an extensive talk on the subject of Government hospitals and reconstruction hospitals particularly. I guess he must have talked an hour at least on that subject exclusively.